Curse

Luminarus · Nov 06, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by beserk

[earth shaker] > [backbreaker] in pve, only time [backbreaker] > [earth shaker] is 1v1 PVP due to the +dmg bonus.

Backbreaker in some pvp situations can also be better due to 4second kd.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 07, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

I go with Lumi on my Fave Hammer Elite being BB. A 4 second KD is just ridiculous, and works wonders at pwning enemy morale.

But for PvE, you made the right choice with ES. Only problem is, Earthshaker doesn't knock down foes in an AoE, the foes knock themselves down trying to not get hit by a skill called Earthshaker. I'd KD myself trying to get away from anything with that name, too...

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 20, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by timebandit

Mind to share your build? or is it just God Mode + Earth Shaker?

[earth shaker][whirlwind attack][crude swing]+
[dark fury]+
["save yourselves!"][focused anger]["for great justice!"]["there's nothing to fear"]=
lolpve

although actually [hundred blades] is better because i want to use my fellblade

tenetke · Nov 22, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Every post about warriors has people telling anyone who will listen that a warrior should spam SY!. Can someone explain to me why that is. The skill doesn't affect all party members, only those in earshot. Mostly I am far ahead of any squishes when I am attacking. The only people that should be that close to me are people that are also heavily armored or have some kind of defense.

I just want someone to explain to me why a warrior is a good choice for SY! Given the above.

Tyla · Nov 22, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Well on a Dragon Slash bar you might as well; it's pretty much instantly charged. People being in earshot doesn't matter, because if they're being hit they're either under fire by a longbow or they're too far away from you to heal you. That's not to say that a Paragon can do the task more efficiently though. On an ES or BB Warrior, you can take it, but you'll only want to use it every now and then.

Lyynyyrd · Nov 22, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by tenetke

Mostly I am far ahead of any squishes when I am attacking.

This makes you a Wammo.
It's not a case of everybody else being wrong, it's a case of you being wrong.

-Lotus- · Nov 23, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by tenetke

I just want someone to explain to me why a warrior is a good choice for SY! Given the above.

because good warriors dont overextend.

Super Igor · Nov 23, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by tenetke

I just want someone to explain to me why a warrior is a good choice for SY! Given the above.

Dont suck?

But d-slash aint the best thing to run on a warrior tbh, its damage is meh compared to we and evis, imbagon does sy! job much much better and stays in the midline meaning its more fail safe.
In a pug or h/h d-slash might be fine but even then we is much better, I'd rather have some damage with my sy! and in an organized team its useless because the only thing making it viable is sy! spamming that it doesnt do in that case so its earth shaker and evis all the way, earth shaker because it can keep mobs on the ground forever and evis because it can run around getting rid of important stuff and what got away from ef's wrath quickly.

Tyla · Nov 23, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

But d-slash aint the best thing to run on a warrior tbh, its damage is meh compared to we and evis, imbagon does sy! job much much better and stays in the midline meaning its more fail safe.

D-Slash has the best DPS in the game for the duration of it having the ability to be chained indefinately for 20-30 seconds. It will deal more damage than Evis, but Warriors' Endurance is debatable. Added the fact to WE that you can carry stronger energy-based utility, heck you can even run Life Bond!

Faer · Nov 23, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

ON TOPIC LOL: Earth Shaker. All the way. No contest. In fact, any PvE Warrior that does not have this elite is probably terrible. Even if you never run hammers, you should have it anyway.

Now, for a bit of a digression, for the sake of being the Faer everybody is used to around here...

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

But d-slash aint the best thing to run on a warrior tbh

In balanced PvE teamplay scenarios, there are no better Warrior bars to run that D-Slash+SY or Earth Shaker. The sword bar does a lot more than just keep SY up, contrary to your current beliefs. Half of the bar is dedicated to providing sustainable DPS and party support, leaving the other half of the bar free for whatever you want.

Most good players that have access to EotN and haven't been living under a rock the past year (although if that was the case then they really can't be considered good players) bring knockdown on the D-Slash bar in the form Brawling Headbutt. Which means, with five skills, you can keep up a steady stream of impressive (for a sword) DPS with only a slightly annoying downtime, provide +100AL to everyone else in your party, and keep a key target (such as a Monk or Ritualist) knocklocked for the entire duration of the fight. In HM situations, these abilities can be crucial to team survival and tend to be excellent assurance of swift, virtually effortless victories.

Honestly, assuming you have "friends" or a guild that doesn't suck or one that isn't full of isolationist twits that only stay in a guild for the tag and cape and LOL GREEN CHAT OMFG, a perfectly amazing and sexy as hell team setup for any HM area you can imagine looks like this:

D-Slash Warrior
Earth Shaker Warrior
Imbagon Paragon
Cruel Spear Paragon
Splinter Weapon + Hex/Condi Removal Support Ritualist
Fire Elementalist (Lots of options, just don't choose a terrible bar; best idea is to go E/N and bring Dark Fury and OoP to really put some massive oomph into the physicals)
WoH Hybrid Monk
Prot Monk (Elite varies depending on area or mission, SoD is fun though)

If you manage to lose anything with that team (assuming that you don't run the most retarded bars that can possibly fall within those vague descriptions), you are doing it wrong. Get better at Guild Wars. And if you still lose? Go play an easier game, this one is way out of your league.

Super Igor · Nov 24, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Tyla

D-Slash has the best DPS in the game for the duration of it having the ability to be chained indefinately for 20-30 seconds. It will deal more damage than Evis, but Warriors' Endurance is debatable. Added the fact to WE that you can carry stronger energy-based utility, heck you can even run Life Bond!

No, ms/db deals more damage than d-slash, can kd and mantain sy! just as well. Imo, ms/db > d-slash all the way.
Neither d-slash outdamages evis, a sword build deals more damage than an axe build wtf? And kd, you should have earth shaker for that.

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In balanced PvE teamplay scenarios, there are no better Warrior bars to run that D-Slash+SY or Earth Shaker. The sword bar does a lot more than just keep SY up, contrary to your current beliefs. Half of the bar is dedicated to providing sustainable DPS and party support, leaving the other half of the bar free for whatever you want.

If in a balanced pve teamplay you need another character with sy!, your imbagon sucks, get a new one.
Same for kd, you have earth shaker for that, things should lie on the ground. Good to have anothe single target kd for things who managed to avoid uf's wrath yes!!!! But I wouldnt make it such a big point. MS/DB can bring kd (and is good at wards), lol it actually should have brawling headbutt or club n the bar somewere, hell, evis can bring one too and with orders you should see no problem keeping things on the ground.
... So were is your support now?

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Most good players that have access to EotN and haven't been living under a rock the past year (although if that was the case then they really can't be considered good players) bring knockdown on the D-Slash bar in the form Brawling Headbutt. Which means, with five skills, you can keep up a steady stream of impressive (for a sword) DPS with only a slightly annoying downtime, provide +100AL to everyone else in your party, and keep a key target (such as a Monk or Ritualist) knocklocked for the entire duration of the fight. In HM situations, these abilities can be crucial to team survival and tend to be excellent assurance of swift, virtually effortless victories.

Alone, yes d-slash is a great build for h/h kind of teams or when you team up with a pair of friends and heroes.
But not in balanced pve play.
Yeah it has single target kd, earth shaker has aoe kd and keeps everything well on the ground. Evis has much greater damage spikes enough to kill any monk/monk-like character swiftly and can have a kd too. MS/DB probably outdamages any other physical character you can have in a balanced, does great job soloing important stuff, can kd and has an utility in form of ebsoh. Even critscythes with their loldeepwound spam and constant scythe crits and we with the mindless spam of fast activating + damage attacks.
There are simply much more better options to have than a d-slash.

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Honestly, assuming you have "friends" or a guild that doesn't suck or one that isn't full of isolationist twits that only stay in a guild for the tag and cape and LOL GREEN CHAT OMFG, a perfectly amazing and sexy as hell team setup for any HM area you can imagine looks like this:

D-Slash Warrior
Earth Shaker Warrior
Imbagon Paragon
Cruel Spear Paragon
Splinter Weapon + Hex/Condi Removal Support Ritualist
Fire Elementalist (Lots of options, just don't choose a terrible bar; best idea is to go E/N and bring Dark Fury and OoP to really put some massive oomph into the physicals)
WoH Hybrid Monk
Prot Monk (Elite varies depending on area or mission, SoD is fun though)

Again, why d-slash and not ms/db, evis, scythe ect. ect. SY! spam? Get a new paragon.
Also, fire ele...

Tyla · Nov 24, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

No, ms/db deals more damage than d-slash, can kd and mantain sy! just as well. Imo, ms/db > d-slash all the way.
Neither d-slash outdamages evis, a sword build deals more damage than an axe build wtf? And kd, you should have earth shaker for that.

That's if your target doesn't die before you hit Moebius Strike. And if your target isn't dead before you hit Moebius Strike, you're either facing something with obscenely high health or your party sucks. You need to redo your chain, but with Dragon Slash you don't.

Oh, and D-Slash outdamages Evis when it comes to DPS because you can practically spam it, whereas with Evis you can't spam it nearly as much because of adrenaline. Deep Wound could come from "Finish Him!" or another character. Also, it charges other skills. Earth Shaker? Not all mobs are clumped up, but Earth Shaker is also awesome anyway.

PS: Why are you using "Imo, MS/DB > D-Slash all the way"? If you're saying it's your opinion then you're saying it's not factual.

Super Igor · Nov 24, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Tyla

That's if your target doesn't die before you hit Moebius Strike. And if your target isn't dead before you hit Moebius Strike, you're either facing something with obscenely high health or your party sucks. You need to redo your chain, but with Dragon Slash you don't.

Your chain recharges in 4 seconds or less, whats your point? Chances are you will be able to hit with moebius and there is nothing wrong with it, your kill is still faster than d-slash.

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Oh, and D-Slash outdamages Evis when it comes to DPS because you can practically spam it, whereas with Evis you can't spam it nearly as much because of adrenaline. Deep Wound could come from "Finish Him!" or another character. Also, it charges other skills. Earth Shaker? Not all mobs are clumped up, but Earth Shaker is also awesome anyway.

No it doesnt, by the time you finish your evis combo it is almost charged again, and in the time of evis spike you would deal much more damage than d-slash, that what its all about.
Finish him? It has damn 15 sec recharge, yeah nice skill but if you want dw with damage evis is better, 3-4 sec recharge > 15 sec recharge.

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PS: Why are you using "Imo, MS/DB > D-Slash all the way"? If you're saying it's your opinion then you're saying it's not factual.

Kay, MS/DB > D-Slash all the way, happy nao?

Tyla · Nov 24, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Your chain recharges in 4 seconds or less, whats your point? Chances are you will be able to hit with moebius and there is nothing wrong with it, your kill is still faster than d-slash.

You're going to hit with Moebius if you party is bad at dealing damage. It's not how fast it recharges, it's how fast it executes.

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No it doesnt, by the time you finish your evis combo it is almost charged again, and in the time of evis spike you would deal much more damage than d-slash, that what its all about.
Finish him? It has damn 15 sec recharge, yeah nice skill but if you want dw with damage evis is better, 3-4 sec recharge > 15 sec recharge.

I'm doing +40 damage attacks every second while you're giving off +30(+100) / +40 damage spikes every 4 seconds. That +100 can't be manipulated again, so I might as well use it on another character. So yeah, +40 damage every second or an Evis spike every 4 seconds? DPS pretty much wins in PvE.

Faer · Nov 24, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

ms/db
fire ele

Warriors are better. Always have been. Stop thinking like a snowflake.

Super Igor · Nov 24, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Tyla

You're going to hit with Moebius if you party is bad at dealing damage. It's not how fast it recharges, it's how fast it executes.

NO U!

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I'm doing +40 damage attacks every second while you're giving off +30(+100) / +40 damage spikes every 4 seconds. That +100 can't be manipulated again, so I might as well use it on another character. So yeah, +40 damage every second or an Evis spike every 4 seconds? DPS pretty much wins in PvE.

I'd rather score a kill every 4 seconds, evis does that perfectly.

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Warriors are better. Always have been. Stop thinking like a snowflake.

NO U!

Tyla · Nov 24, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

I'd rather score a kill every 4 seconds, evis does that perfectly.

And D-Slash does that better.

Shadowfox1125 · Nov 24, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by tenetke

Every post about warriors has people telling anyone who will listen that a warrior should spam SY!. Can someone explain to me why that is. The skill doesn't affect all party members, only those in earshot. Mostly I am far ahead of any squishes when I am attacking. The only people that should be that close to me are people that are also heavily armored or have some kind of defense.

I just want someone to explain to me why a warrior is a good choice for SY! Given the above.

You're overextending. You're that far ahead? So how do you receive healing or hex/condition removal? Oh wait, you don't. You're dead, and so is your support.

Arkantos · Nov 24, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Only mighty warriors like myself can overextend and still win.

<3

Age · Nov 24, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I much prefer [devastating hammer] over both of these.I just got SY which is probably to late.